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Knowledge of knowledge

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by A Cup of Skepticism (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:31 am)
Richard Carrier isn't really a philosopher. His degrees are in Ancient History.

Isn't to say he's wrong, but he doesn't have any substantive contributions to philosophy other than blogging about it.

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What are you listening to?

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by nmblum (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:10 pm)
Open mike night in Simi Valley, Sunday evening:

A version of this (new to me) was performed by three brothers (set of twins and a sibling: tenor, guitarist, harmonica soloist) all in their seventies,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmnVKc7JdUM
Brought down the house….

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Science vs. Pseudoscience

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by octopus1 (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:41 pm)
A Cup of Skepticism wrote:I think there's more. There's certainly a bit of...defensiveness about my theism. Or at least, a sense of subliminal negativity towards it.

So it's not just people asking questions, it's people asking pointed questions. There's subterfuge going on there. Here's some of my paranoia coming out. ;)


It's not paranoia if you're right...

'Leading questioning' is a poor way to get good answers. But it does happen, and I've used it myself. It isn't an attempt to mislead anyone away from the common goal of reasonable thinking, rather a means of determining how reasonable the respondent is likely to be.

But from personal experience, I don't really have a problem with the kooks who believe in UFOs and the like. I realize it's not a view predicated on rationality, but on feelings. A lot like atheism.


Both atheism and theism are based on feelings and reason. Just not the same feelings or reason! The existence of one, or many, god[s] cannot be proved. So, consequently, cannot either be disproved. It would be tilting at windmills to discuss a being which you believe exists (With good reason, perhaps), and which I believe does not exist (With good reason, perhaps).

As long as they [UFO BELIEVERS] keep to themselves and don't cause problems or start asserting nonsense, I think it's best to leave them be. The moment they get aggressive with their kookiness, I find rational analysis of their claims a lot more useful than mere skepticism. I think skepticism is a bit more limited in scope, while a broader rational analysis has tools including skepticism itself, with which to deal with erroneous beliefs.

I think once you talk to these people you find that it's not rationality that convinces them at all.


If you'll permit this atheist to borrow a religious-originated phrase - What you said there, was effectively "preaching to the choir"... :P

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A parable, a parable…

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by nmblum (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:57 pm)
JO 753 wrote:O! I get it. (wink wink) Not THE xXx moviez, just XXX moviez!

You haf to admire people who lead full spectrum no holds barred livez.


I would certainly say so, JO753.
And what's more I DO actually admire them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moOamKxW844
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Favorite anecdotes from the world of Science….

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by octopus1 (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:53 pm)
nmblum wrote:This is one: A conversation between Leo Szilard, physicist and mathematician ( an Hungarian refugee from the Nazis, one of the instigators and stars of the Manhattan Project, recruited by Enrico Fermi ) and his good personal friend, the physicist Hans Bethe.

Szilard announced that he was going to keep a diary: "I don't intend to publish . I am merely going to record the facts for the information of god."
"Don't you think god knows the facts? He is, after all, god."
"Yes" said Szilard, " He knows the facts, he just doesn't know this version of the facts…"
(as quoted in "Taming the Atom," by Hans Christian von Baeyer)

And more on the life and sometimes overlooked work of Leo Szliard:
http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2013/09/17/anniversary-80-years-ago-leo-szliard-envisioned-neutron-chain-reaction/

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I liked that :lol:

Some things never change.

A gentleman I know kept an apple on his desk. The same apple. For several months. Eventually, when a quaintly rotting fruit became a health hazard, he got rid of it.

I noted that he'd finally binned it, and he responded (quite indignantly) that it had "served its purpose".

Which purpose, I never discovered!

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OMG It's RoboRoach!

The brain IS the 20%

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by Gord (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:02 pm)
Do fat people have fat brains?

Do bodybuilders have muscular brains?

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Skepticism on height increasing methods


Happy Christmas and a happy new year 2014

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by kennyc (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:07 pm)
And to you Shen, may 2014 bring all your dreams come true!

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Duck and Cover...

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by octopus1 (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:14 pm)
OlegTheBatty wrote:
octopus1 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-25491389

Karen Underhill, one of the village parents, said: "We feel quite protective about him [a mallard duck with a CD around its neck]. He doesn't look uncomfortable, he's just got a ridge."

Ah, slow news. I like it sometimes :lol:

Over twenny years ago.

Under that cute exterior.

Sex! Booze! Rock n' roll!

Ducks have civilization! :shock:


Most of that second video required "looking away":P

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Can I enroll my dog in Obamacare?

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by octopus1 (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:16 pm)
Well whatever it is, buy insurance for it! It'll keep... :P

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Knowledge of knowledge

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by kennyc (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:37 pm)
Lausten wrote:
Gord wrote:
Lausten wrote:I got one because my wife wanted an app for birding and she wasn't going to get an electronic thing that I didn't have. Now I'm a "Words with Friends" widower.

I understand less of that than I think I should.

Sometimes people will just start talking about things and all I can do is marvel at the sounds they're making with their mouths. "My wife wanted an app for birding." Oh wow, it's like verbal fireworks! Ooh! Ahhh! How do they make the sounds appear so coordinated?! It's as if they had a meaning!! If only I could decode it....

I'm just a computer programmer, you cavemen frighten me with talk of fire.


Not to mention flung bones turning into spaceships!!!!

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16 yr. lack of warming is a worrisome finding for some

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by robinson (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:42 pm)
Halsu wrote: In climate change's case, unless otherwise specified, it should be rather obvious to everyone in a related conversation that the AGW is the instance under discussion.


Actually that is a big part of the argument. Just saying it is so, as you state, does not make it so.

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Wanna bet?

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by robinson (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:47 pm)
there you go again.

Instead of typing out your bet, you typed a question instead.

I will bet a dollar you won't just type out a bet in your next post.

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Blind chance vs Teleology and God

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by She (Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:02 pm)
Shen1986 wrote:
She wrote:But as I told you, I'm not posing a "God of the gaps", I'm not arguing that because we don't know x therefore God. It is actually the contrary, I argue that becasue we do know the way the universe is (ordered) we can give a God/mind a higher plausibility than to a natural cause.


Okay. Thanks for posting this. However nope we cannot give it a higher plausibility. The problem with a god in the universe is that if there would be a god then there must be also paranormal powers in the universe because god is paranormal(he has powers beyond the universe because he created it). So far we did not found paranormal powers or laws. We humans who are a part of the universe and are made out of the same materials like the universe to some degree do not possess paranormal powers also like do not possess paranormal powers any animal or plant. Therefore the god is not plausible according to this if you take it this way.

I hope you reply because it is a interesting discussion.


It is a different kind of inference, where do you get the idea that such god must have that kind of powers? You are making an ontological argument here.

However, it indeed shows we may know nothing about the nature of any god. We can assume it is "paranormal" via an abstraction only, "if there are natural things, there should be supernatural/paranormal too".

Your reasoning could be similar to that using the conservation of energy, as we have not seen a violation to it, we can assume no intervening god exists. I'm not sure if this could be applied to a god that doesn´t intervene as the one I pose in this argument.

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New study: Who's funding the deniers?

Planes aren't flown by people anymore. Is Air Travel unsafe?

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by Matthew Ellard (Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:15 am)
Rob Lister wrote:When the tower tells the computer to go left, it goes left. When the tower is talking to a human, it has to issue a secondary command: "Your other left, dumbass."
This was a specific episode in Air Crash Investigations. Air Traffic Controllers are not allowed to use the words "left" or "right" for exactly the reasons you offered.

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Sea Serpents in San Francisco Bay!

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by Cobalt6 (Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:00 am)
scrmbldggs wrote:
Cobalt6 wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Yeah, others are more, shall we say, prolific?


They could of at least called me to do some semi-convincing CGI work. Or made up some model. Taking a blurred video of birds and passing it off as a sea serpent doesn't grant this case much worth. One of the most famous sea serpent ''sightings'' was a guy spending a couple days on a model sea serpent and then propping it with underwater ropes. It looked very convincing to the onlookers at the time. (Joe Nickell wrote about this on CSIOP, I'll try and dig it up later)

Am I understanding you correctly here, you would willingly participate in a hoax?


No, being sarcastic on my side. Better hoaxes have been done, this one falls short.

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What makes human cells so resistant to extreme temperatures?

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by Matthew Ellard (Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:32 am)
MarkgaB5 wrote:you dont know 100% the chemical reactions that go on in the body so you cant say with 100% sureness shc is impossible
I just did. You failed to give one example of a cell reaching 220 Celsius remember?

So, are you still claiming Frank Baker won his two Vietnam purple hearts when he was 4 years old? Was he a General or Captain?

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''Fan Death'' - can fans suck the life out of sleepers?

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by Kaepora Gaebora (Posted Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:21 am)
JO 753 wrote:I did an experiment for you Coby.

Just needed a nap, so it seemd likely that any fatal affect woud be reduced. So a 10" fan full speed about 2 feet away frum my face.

Az you can see, I'm still alive.

However, all my pinkyz (fingerz and toez) went gangrenous, dried up and fell off. So longer exposure coud be fatal.


Did you leave your uranium kit out on the bed?

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